
A few weeks ago, my ten year old daughter, Isa, came home from school rattled to the core. She needed to speak to her Mother, it was urgent, a matter of life or death. Sitting down with her Mother, she exploded in confusion, worry, and angst. “Mom you’re not going to heaven because you don’t believe in God. Jewish people don’t believe in God and if you don’t believe, you’ll never make it to heaven.”
Needless to say, my wife was in shock. She was baptized and raised a good Catholic, but giving birth to our oldest son at fifteen, the church felt she was no longer worthy of their God. She still believes in God, she just doesn’t believe in the Church, more specifically she doesn’t believe in worshipping false idols who claim God like status while running the Church.
This is a subject that pains my wife, she doesn’t share it, but I know just to skirt the subject conjures up memories causing her to still feel like that scared pregnant little girl, tears of shame burning her cheeks, as she was cast from her safehaven and branded a sinner, a heathen.
Nonetheless, she inhaled deeply and placed her arms around Isa. She explained that she does believe in God, she just doesn’t go to Church to prove it like some people. Isa, who goes to a lax Catholic school and recently celebrated her confirmation, was assured, end of story; her mother would be saved. If only my wife could have had “reforgotten” so quickly.

Four days ago, Isa got herself into trouble for not doing homework, as a consequence, she was banned from the computer. Both my wife and I sat her down and explained computers and chatting are fun, but homework is a priority, no excuses. My poor child, she was devestated and acted as if we handed banned her from existing or taken her right to breathe. Isa, however, doesn’t give up easy. She is determined and personal pain only accents her urges to exstinguish injustice.
Yesterday she calls me from her room. “Dad, Dadddyyyyy” to which I replied, “Just a moment Isa, I’m working”. Again Isa bellowed “Papi, I neeeeeeeeed to talk to you.” I was just about ready to answer her, when she entered my office, hands on her hips, ready to slay injustice like a midevil dragon. Our conversation went as follows:
Isa: Dad, you said chatting is wrong, you have to finish work first.
Me: Isa, I AM working.
Isa: No you’re not, I see you chaattting.
Me: Isa, I’m working on the blog, reading comments, writing comments, and trying to learn, figure something out.
Isa: I told you, you were chatting. Maybe I’m trying to figure stuff out, too, when I’m chatting.
Me: Isa, you’re not going to win, just stop. Trying to figure out how to get to the ice cream parlor on Club Penguin is not the same as what I’m trying to understand.
Isa: So what’s so important, what don’t you understand Daddy?
Me: Religion.
With that I explained to my daughter what I was so desperately trying to understand here on IB. I took out our globe and showed her India. I explained what little I knew and why I don’t understand the hate and intolerance divide sometimes created by religions.
Without even blinking an eye, my Isa was snuggled on my lap with her own story to tell me.
“My Mom’s Jewish, Mariana and I are Catholic, but Mariana doesn’t believe it the Devil and I think Mass is stupid; all we do is stand, pray, kneel, sit, pray, stand, kneel, pray. Patty says her Aunt and Uncle are not Catholic, but Morons. Katia’s Dad worships the devil, but her Mom is Catholic, and Julisa never told us, but we heard she and her family don’t really love God, but some wierd guy named Jehova; she just comes to our school, because it’s a good school and cheaper than the other ones.”

It was definitely my turn to be shocked, in fact I was speechless.
I had no idea my ten year old and her friends focused so much on religion. After I recovered, I had some questions for Isa. First off, I thought we got over her Mother being Jewish, to which Isa responded in kind: “It’s okay Dad, Mom can still go to heaven ‘cuz she believes in God, I mean just because she was born Jewish doesn’t mean she has to stay Jewish.” Now I understood the Jewish issue and quickly explained. Obviously Isa had overheard, as it is no secret, her Mother was born in the “Jewish Memorial Hospital”, being born in a Jewish hospital, to a ten year old, I found, automatically renders you Jewish.
Next what do Morons have to do with religion? Isa of course had a reply for this as well “You know Dad, Morons, the ones that go to the fancy Church with the gold eagle on top in the city.” Isa was close, unfortunatly she left the “m” out of the word. She was trying to say Mormon. I only had a few more questions. Why does she think Katia’s Dad worships the devil and who is talking about Julisa and her family? Isa’s replies were simple and factual in her mind. Katia’s Dad worships the devil because he wears the “devil’s star” on a necklace. Julisa doesn’t have to go to Mass, but also doesn’t come to parties or other festivals, older kids who know the girl’s older siblings made the comment about them being Jehova witness’ after being told by the brother.
Wow, these girls are observant. I explained to Isa Katia’s Dad was not a devil worshiper, as the golden star around his neck was not Satanic, but the star of David. I also explained that while she had quite a mix of religions amongst her friends, the issue in India wasn’t as easy, as it involved the entire country.
I thought I was giving her what little insight I had until Isa shared her truth with me and said:
“I know Daddy, that’s why it’s so silly of them. I mean they have the whole India country and they fight, but we are all in the same little classroom and we’re best friends.”
I couldn’t have given a better example had a spent years trying. I didn’t need to give an example, my girl lives tolerance, peace, and love.
Hinduism says that people on earth are born in a cycle of birth and death of 84,00,00,000 lives starting from insects to human beings.
The journey on this earth is a passing phase. On completion of this journey, Hinduism says, we are produced before Chitragupt (the record keeper) who sends us to Dharmraj (The judge of our duties) and based on our Karma (deeds), he sends us to hell and heaven or both for a certain period of time. We may reduce our stay in hell by increasing our good deeds, etc. Our meeting with God is called salvation.
Hinduism believes that human life has four tasks (or goals) :- Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha meaning duty, earning, sex (or desire) and salvation.
Doing each of these four duties, we are bound to come in conflict with others and therefore conflict is an integral part of human life.
Can there be an uniform policy for all? Hinduism rules it out. It says that if a Brahmin is not greedy, he will not learn, will not become knowledgeable and will not be able to spread knowledge. Therefore, greed in a Brahmin is justified. With knowledge, he will have fear. He will be afraid of being challenged and would therefore not like arguments. That gives birth to another complication amongst wise people. They avoid debate.
Hinduism says that a King is a good king only if he has aspirations to expand his kingdom and subjugate people. Imagine the havoc, it creates. But if he is not so, like many Indian kings, his soldiers will be relax, enemy would attack and his territory would shrink. So, Hinduism justifies it as a virtue of kings. Imagine its impact on society !
There are many other such gems. But I stop here, otherwise I am afraid, I would get distracted.
could you please explain this term: ”Brahmin”. Is it a King, a follower of Hinduism, a God, a state at which one would want to become?
”With knowledge, he will have fear”
I know they say ignorance is Bliss, but wouldn’t one, to the countrary, feel assured by their knowledge, or does it only open doors of overwhelming truth and reality:?
So for this lesson, would it be safe to say: Hinduism acknowledges conflict, but seeks to fullfill more good deeds than bad.
But still justifies killings and forceful subjugation as means to a Kings good deed and will in protecting and keeping his territory intact?
You are truley amazing Mr. Ramesh. How I would enjoy sitting with you for weeks, listening (and attempting) to learn the smallest fraction of your wisdom.
Thank you once again for taking the time to explain to someone like me who is desperatley trying to replace ignorance with a bit of knowledge.
Please keep your lessons coming.
Brahmins (The wise one who adopted the profession of priests, judges, teachers, scholars, etc.); Kshatriyas (The warriors who adopted the profession of militarymen became rulers, kings, land lords, etc), the Vaishyas (Businessmen) and Shudras (Labourer).
These classes had many professions which was followed in the family through generations. Over a period of time, it got stuck up with the family as caste.
Upward mobility from one caste to another or one class to another was possible. However, in last 4000 years or so, the upper castes started practicing untouchability with lower castes; for example, not exactly but something like Whitemen and Negro problem.
So it is still very much divided,but there is small opportunity to move up in caste, but one should never mingle with a lower class?
Is there a punishment or what happens when you break this untouchability? Is this caste level a birthright? If my father was a businessman would I automatically be granted entrance into a level of Vaishyas to choose a profession from the catagory?..How do they stop one from learning? Are the labouring caste not allowed to continue education to obtain the knowledge of vaishyas or would they simply not be allowed to practice a profession.
What if a laborer child grew and wanted to enter the military? Could he ever choose to continue as a profession and become a Kshatriya?
It seems sad to be bound by such ties.
I see why ”western” minds have a hard time grasping it all, with the little bit you share with me each comment, I feel as if I revert back to kindergarten- but I am detrmined to learn more..of everything.
Adults are always looking to be ”one up” on the next..A constant struggle to achieve..Pulling one down while standing upon yet another to launch ourselves higher..Ultimatly what do we achieve? We are human, we must live within societies. Yet we find no solace, nothing but contempt among all others..
Sadly, it seems we will never be happy.
If logically, a human strives to attain what rightfully belongs to him, every human being will follow parallel paths towards attaining his goals.Its only when we want to tresspass each other’s paths that conflict begins
Now lets say something about modesty. We all know that modesty is a jewel of a female, specially in East. Hinduism says that Modesty is a virtue of a home maker, a married female, a wife but does not recommend it for prostitutes, courtesans, dancers, artists, etc. it says that a prostitute has to be immodest and shameless.
Therefore, what is a virtue in one person may not be a virtue for the other.
Now modesty.”dancers, artists, etc” are all placed together under the ”prostitute” title.
Next: this would leave vast opportunity to shift among the virtues: No one is born a prostitute, thus should be modest..Women will not prostitute forever, thus they have the opportunity to revert back to a modest virtue.
Now for an odd queston: It is not uncommon in Mexico for prostiutes, table dancers, etc to be married. They are homemakers by day, and dancers, prostiutes, etc by night..Where does their virtue lye? With their husband and children or within their occupation?
In modern India, we have landless. Landlords, businessmen pay taxes to the local authorities. It could be village, cities firming part of a sub division which is part of a district which is part of a state of a union of India. Kings have been replaced by locally elected leaders who govern us.
The fundamentals of the game does not change for a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim. These rules are universally applicable.
Now I’m seeing the conflict.
Both would be professionally greedy.
Like Isa he has wonderful class-mates, friends. Recently he carried some sweets to celebrate Id with his class-mates...he cannot understand why no Prinipal punishes cruel people who harm others and play with arm toys...he often tells me children are much better than grown-ups and adults...
We have much to learn from this innocent world of children!
For example, although my wife and I do not attend Mass and feel the Church is highly independant from God, we BOTH choose to put our children in parrochial schools. Granted it is not the same type of Catholic school as the past, but nontheless we like the fact that: Values, Faith, and Morals have importance.
In my family, we do talk about God and neither my wife nor I will ever reflect our internal confusion or anger at the Church to our children. They, as us, will be provided with morals, values, and Faith..Our family does talk and reflect much together on morals and values in the Human sciety, Hopefully as my wife and I are are both very ”tolerant” it will give a strong basis for human tolerance to our children..As the grow older, they may form their own opinions on the Church and or religion..and will be supported as long as they have reason..as belief in God or a higher power is not a fad or passing thought.
Isa amazes me, she seems much more perceptive to difference, change, and injustice than my sons were..I don’t think my boys are any LESS than her, but I think ”our Mexican” world has changed so radically in the past few years, causing the differences among us to be more obvious...yet she still finds the common factor of good in all.
We have much to learn...It appears the more intellectually intellegant we become in life, the more humanly ignorant we become..
I fonly we could learn the balance of the two loke children.
Yeah, kids are like sponges; they soak up everything and everything and it’s like they have this massive hard drive which isn’t yet clutterd up with old files.
So they ask questions. Because their minds are quick, agile and highly active.
They are also very instinctive and know the ”right” thing do do, (even though things evolve with time) if we just have enough courage to give them the freedom to do so. Your family has obviously understood this!
I had a girlfriend once who had a five-year-old boy. We were visiting a town called Vienne, here in France and she took him into the cathedral to visit it. I waited outside, for reasons you know...
She told me later that he was very uneasy the second he got in there, and, when he touched the altar he recoiled and said ”Mama, it’s cold. It’s cold in here. I don’t like it. I want to go....”.
So they left.
Who knows what or whether he will believe. But that experience will stay with him for life, I’m sure, and it’s the same for your daughter......these are important moments for children. They need to talk with others and then decide for themselves...and we should not manipulate them.
Super post my friend!
I think as parents, we are to be guides to our children.. My wife and I will protect, fight or kill for all 3 of our children...but we will not force our views our any other popular view on our children...
We want to show them what are definite facts: give them choices, they must continue thinking and feeling for themselves, as Isa does not..She is not cluttered..The lines and rules are very clear..Good is good, bad is bad. Simple and gunuine. I love you because of you, not because of what I can make you or get from you.
We need to avoid cluttering our children while showing undivided support: morally and emotionally. By guiding and supporting them we can allow them to coninue being open and tolerant to humanity, while knowing the difference between ”true good” and ”true bad” in it’s simplest most precise forms.
”Na Hindu Banega Na Musalman Banega”
”Insaan Ki Aulad Hai Insaan Banega”.
You’ll not become a Hindu nor a Muslim.
You are the son of a man,and you’ll become ”Human”.
”You are the son of a man,and you’ll become ”Human”.”
That should be remembered by every human on this earth..We are HUMAN, through no amount of faith or following will we ever become more..
I think we should remember this, as we are all HUMAN and all brothers, regardless of race, creed, or religion.
Thanks again Vijay...It’s great to have you back.
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If only we could keep our values we had as children.Look at my daughter and her friends. Children know no color, religion, economic class...They know honestly, loyalty, and tolerance..This is how they choose who is a friend, who is good for them...How do adults lose that...more importantly WHY do we lose it???
could you please explain this term: ”Brahmin”. Is it a King, a follower of Hinduism, a God, a state at which one would want to become?
”With knowledge, he will have fear”
I know they say ignorance is Bliss, but wouldn’t one, to the countrary, feel assured by their knowledge, or does it only open doors of overwhelming truth and reality:?
So for this lesson, would it be safe to say: Hinduism acknowledges conflict, but seeks to fullfill more good deeds than bad.
But still justifies killings and forceful subjugation as means to a Kings good deed and will in protecting and keeping his territory intact?
You are truley amazing Mr. Ramesh. How I would enjoy sitting with you for weeks, listening (and attempting) to learn the smallest fraction of your wisdom.
Thank you once again for taking the time to explain to someone like me who is desperatley trying to replace ignorance with a bit of knowledge.
Please keep your lessons coming.
Adults are always looking to be ”one up” on the next..A constant struggle to achieve..Pulling one down while standing upon yet another to launch ourselves higher..Ultimatly what do we achieve? We are human, we must live within societies. Yet we find no solace, nothing but contempt among all others..
Sadly, it seems we will never be happy.
Now modesty.”dancers, artists, etc” are all placed together under the ”prostitute” title.
Next: this would leave vast opportunity to shift among the virtues: No one is born a prostitute, thus should be modest..Women will not prostitute forever, thus they have the opportunity to revert back to a modest virtue.
Now for an odd queston: It is not uncommon in Mexico for prostiutes, table dancers, etc to be married. They are homemakers by day, and dancers, prostiutes, etc by night..Where does their virtue lye? With their husband and children or within their occupation?
So it is still very much divided,but there is small opportunity to move up in caste, but one should never mingle with a lower class?
Is there a punishment or what happens when you break this untouchability? Is this caste level a birthright? If my father was a businessman would I automatically be granted entrance into a level of Vaishyas to choose a profession from the catagory?..How do they stop one from learning? Are the labouring caste not allowed to continue education to obtain the knowledge of vaishyas or would they simply not be allowed to practice a profession.
What if a laborer child grew and wanted to enter the military? Could he ever choose to continue as a profession and become a Kshatriya?
It seems sad to be bound by such ties.
Now I’m seeing the conflict.
I see why ”western” minds have a hard time grasping it all, with the little bit you share with me each comment, I feel as if I revert back to kindergarten- but I am detrmined to learn more..of everything.
For example, although my wife and I do not attend Mass and feel the Church is highly independant from God, we BOTH choose to put our children in parrochial schools. Granted it is not the same type of Catholic school as the past, but nontheless we like the fact that: Values, Faith, and Morals have importance.
In my family, we do talk about God and neither my wife nor I will ever reflect our internal confusion or anger at the Church to our children. They, as us, will be provided with morals, values, and Faith..Our family does talk and reflect much together on morals and values in the Human sciety, Hopefully as my wife and I are are both very ”tolerant” it will give a strong basis for human tolerance to our children..As the grow older, they may form their own opinions on the Church and or religion..and will be supported as long as they have reason..as belief in God or a higher power is not a fad or passing thought.
Isa amazes me, she seems much more perceptive to difference, change, and injustice than my sons were..I don’t think my boys are any LESS than her, but I think ”our Mexican” world has changed so radically in the past few years, causing the differences among us to be more obvious...yet she still finds the common factor of good in all.
We have much to learn...It appears the more intellectually intellegant we become in life, the more humanly ignorant we become..
I fonly we could learn the balance of the two loke children.
I think as parents, we are to be guides to our children.. My wife and I will protect, fight or kill for all 3 of our children...but we will not force our views our any other popular view on our children...
We want to show them what are definite facts: give them choices, they must continue thinking and feeling for themselves, as Isa does not..She is not cluttered..The lines and rules are very clear..Good is good, bad is bad. Simple and gunuine. I love you because of you, not because of what I can make you or get from you.
We need to avoid cluttering our children while showing undivided support: morally and emotionally. By guiding and supporting them we can allow them to coninue being open and tolerant to humanity, while knowing the difference between ”true good” and ”true bad” in it’s simplest most precise forms.
”You are the son of a man,and you’ll become ”Human”.”
That should be remembered by every human on this earth..We are HUMAN, through no amount of faith or following will we ever become more..
I think we should remember this, as we are all HUMAN and all brothers, regardless of race, creed, or religion.
Thanks again Vijay...It’s great to have you back.
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Hinduism says that people on earth are born in a cycle of birth and death of 84,00,00,000 lives starting from insects to human beings.
The journey on this earth is a passing phase. On completion of this journey, Hinduism says, we are produced before Chitragupt (the record keeper) who sends us to Dharmraj (The judge of our duties) and based on our Karma (deeds), he sends us to hell and heaven or both for a certain period of time. We may reduce our stay in hell by increasing our good deeds, etc. Our meeting with God is called salvation.
Hinduism believes that human life has four tasks (or goals) :- Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha meaning duty, earning, sex (or desire) and salvation.
Doing each of these four duties, we are bound to come in conflict with others and therefore conflict is an integral part of human life.
Can there be an uniform policy for all? Hinduism rules it out. It says that if a Brahmin is not greedy, he will not learn, will not become knowledgeable and will not be able to spread knowledge. Therefore, greed in a Brahmin is justified. With knowledge, he will have fear. He will be afraid of being challenged and would therefore not like arguments. That gives birth to another complication amongst wise people. They avoid debate.
Hinduism says that a King is a good king only if he has aspirations to expand his kingdom and subjugate people. Imagine the havoc, it creates. But if he is not so, like many Indian kings, his soldiers will be relax, enemy would attack and his territory would shrink. So, Hinduism justifies it as a virtue of kings. Imagine its impact on society !
There are many other such gems. But I stop here, otherwise I am afraid, I would get distracted.
Now lets say something about modesty. We all know that modesty is a jewel of a female, specially in East. Hinduism says that Modesty is a virtue of a home maker, a married female, a wife but does not recommend it for prostitutes, courtesans, dancers, artists, etc. it says that a prostitute has to be immodest and shameless.
Therefore, what is a virtue in one person may not be a virtue for the other.
Brahmins (The wise one who adopted the profession of priests, judges, teachers, scholars, etc.); Kshatriyas (The warriors who adopted the profession of militarymen became rulers, kings, land lords, etc), the Vaishyas (Businessmen) and Shudras (Labourer).
These classes had many professions which was followed in the family through generations. Over a period of time, it got stuck up with the family as caste.
Upward mobility from one caste to another or one class to another was possible. However, in last 4000 years or so, the upper castes started practicing untouchability with lower castes; for example, not exactly but something like Whitemen and Negro problem.
In modern India, we have landless. Landlords, businessmen pay taxes to the local authorities. It could be village, cities firming part of a sub division which is part of a district which is part of a state of a union of India. Kings have been replaced by locally elected leaders who govern us.
If logically, a human strives to attain what rightfully belongs to him, every human being will follow parallel paths towards attaining his goals.Its only when we want to tresspass each other’s paths that conflict begins
The fundamentals of the game does not change for a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim. These rules are universally applicable.
Both would be professionally greedy.
Like Isa he has wonderful class-mates, friends. Recently he carried some sweets to celebrate Id with his class-mates...he cannot understand why no Prinipal punishes cruel people who harm others and play with arm toys...he often tells me children are much better than grown-ups and adults...
We have much to learn from this innocent world of children!
Yeah, kids are like sponges; they soak up everything and everything and it’s like they have this massive hard drive which isn’t yet clutterd up with old files.
So they ask questions. Because their minds are quick, agile and highly active.
They are also very instinctive and know the ”right” thing do do, (even though things evolve with time) if we just have enough courage to give them the freedom to do so. Your family has obviously understood this!
I had a girlfriend once who had a five-year-old boy. We were visiting a town called Vienne, here in France and she took him into the cathedral to visit it. I waited outside, for reasons you know...
She told me later that he was very uneasy the second he got in there, and, when he touched the altar he recoiled and said ”Mama, it’s cold. It’s cold in here. I don’t like it. I want to go....”.
So they left.
Who knows what or whether he will believe. But that experience will stay with him for life, I’m sure, and it’s the same for your daughter......these are important moments for children. They need to talk with others and then decide for themselves...and we should not manipulate them.
Super post my friend!
”Na Hindu Banega Na Musalman Banega”
”Insaan Ki Aulad Hai Insaan Banega”.
You’ll not become a Hindu nor a Muslim.
You are the son of a man,and you’ll become ”Human”.
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If only we could keep our values we had as children.Look at my daughter and her friends. Children know no color, religion, economic class...They know honestly, loyalty, and tolerance..This is how they choose who is a friend, who is good for them...How do adults lose that...more importantly WHY do we lose it???